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Post by BuffyBoy on Jan 18, 2004 19:38:45 GMT
Do we have one yet?
If not then maybe we should start...
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Post by V Faction on Feb 8, 2004 19:26:18 GMT
I believe we should.
Our current TM goal is 75. That can change depending on how much people actually contribute.
These are some attacks that I believe should be TMs:
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Flamethrower
Fire Blast
Blizzard
Thunder
Hyper Beam
Toxic
Sunny Day
Rain Dance
Reflect
Light Screen
Psychic
Sludge Bomb
Sandstorm
Double Team
Brick Break
Solarbeam
Giga Drain
Dig
Return
Frustration
Safeguard
Protect
Earthquake
Hail
Hidden Power
(Note: All taken from the Ruby/Sapphire Generation)
That's 27 right there. Based on the number of Gym Leaders we have, we would be adding in 36 other TMs, bringing the total to 63. We would still have room for any Additional Old attacks and New attacks that we may create.
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Post by sneasel on Feb 8, 2004 19:29:01 GMT
I'm really don't care what attacks are TMs as long as they include Toxic and Ice Beam.  Enemy ______ is badly Poisoned! Oh how I love seeing that... |
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Post by Fluo on Feb 8, 2004 23:50:02 GMT
I nominate rest (though it could be interesting without), refresh, skill swap, taunt, torment, snatch, bite, crunch, hurricane, imprison, swords dance, volt tackle, sleep talk, substitute, surprise egg, explosion, zap cannon, dynamicpunch, endure, rapid spin (or hyper spin).
From the moves I made and that you know about, I suggest gamble, malice, nausea/virus, avalanche, fire bomb, quartz claw, star stream, war dance/multiply, syntheleaf, maybe even death ray.
These are the ones I had in mind, pick the best suggestions.
Also, in FR/LG, there are many move tutors for some old RBY TMs. Do you plan to do something similar? You could add in some tutors for key GSC TMs, such as sleep talk, zap cannon, dynamicpunch or endure, it would be interesting. I still prefer TMs though.
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Post by V Faction on Feb 9, 2004 0:03:56 GMT
I nominate rest (though it could be interesting without), refresh, skill swap, taunt, torment, snatch, bite, crunch, hurricane, imprison, swords dance, volt tackle, sleep talk, substitute, surprise egg, explosion, zap cannon, dynamicpunch, endure, rapid spin (or hyper spin). From the moves I made and that you know about, I suggest gamble, malice, nausea/virus, avalanche, fire bomb, quartz claw, star stream, war dance/multiply, syntheleaf, maybe even death ray. These are the ones I had in mind, pick the best suggestions. Also, in FR/LG, there are many move tutors for some old RBY TMs. Do you plan to do something similar? You could add in some tutors for key GSC TMs, such as sleep talk, zap cannon, dynamicpunch or endure, it would be interesting. I still prefer TMs though. From the nominations, I like: Rest Refresh Endure Skill Swap Snatch Taunt Torment Sleep Talk Explosion Substitute Move Tutors haven't been discussed to my knowledge, but I do know that as far as how to obtaining them goes I much prefer an unlimited supply than a single shot chance. Either by buying or through an item exchange, one could go back to the Tutor multiple times and request duplicates of the same attack on other Pokemon ala Crystal version. My personal favorite for a Move Tutor selection would be a 'Punch' Tutor, a person who'd teach every kind of Punching attack there is (Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Dynamicpunch, Comet Punch, Dizzy Punch, Mega Punch, and I think a couple others). We could also have an 'Assistence' Tutor, who would offer the healing moves (Rest, Refresh, Safeguard, Wish, Substitute, Endure, Protect). |
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Post by Super Cuddles on Feb 9, 2004 0:05:37 GMT
hmm... I have no clue what all of the moves you mentioned do.
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Post by Fluo on Feb 9, 2004 0:12:56 GMT
Weird how, from all my suggestions, the only one you liked that was never a TM before is refresh. Also I went through the complete list and found out other candidates:
Flail
Rock Slide (how did I forget about that one) or Rock Blast/Rockarnage
Fake Tears
Weather Ball (hey hey why not)
Signal Beam
Recycle
Metronome (best TM ever created in the history of pokemon)
Trick
Follow Me
Flatter
Psych Up
Roar
Counter
Mirror coat
Helping hand
Moves like trick, follow me, flatter or helping hand are pretty general. They should be learnable by most pokemon.
Edit: Oh and there's the good ol' horn drill and fissure (and why not guillotine). Also forgot thunder wave while I'm at it.
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Post by V Faction on Feb 9, 2004 0:42:12 GMT
Weird how, from all my suggestions, the only one you liked that was never a TM before is refresh. Also I went through the complete list and found out other candidates: Flail Rock Slide (how did I forget about that one) or Rock Blast/Rockarnage Fake Tears Weather Ball (hey hey why not) Signal Beam Recycle Metronome (best TM ever created in the history of pokemon) Trick Follow Me Flatter Psych Up Roar Counter Mirror coat Helping hand Moves like trick, follow me, flatter or helping hand are pretty general. They should be learnable by most pokemon. Edit: Oh and there's the good ol' horn drill and fissure (and why not guillotine). Also forgot thunder wave while I'm at it. Probably because I've grown too accustomed to the Ruby/Sapphire TMs. I'm not even fond of Skill Swap or Torment all that much, but they do provide nice fillers for Pokemon creation. The others that you had on the list either A) were just not suitable to me as being a TM, B) Already destined for TM-dom, C) I never appreciated as TMs in the first place, or D) Just all-around turn offs. I'm really contemplating which Moves should be over others in the TM race. Most, if not all, sound good, but then the TM Market may get over-saturated and leave room for our own made-up moves restricted to Gym Leaders. And if you were wondering, from your second list, I like: Roar Metronome Psych Up Follow Me Fake Tears Flail Recycle (How devilishly exploitable) |
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Post by V Faction on Mar 30, 2004 1:03:07 GMT
Time to nip this in the bud. I've compiled the list of possible TMs attained through suggestions. Please vote on those which you would like to see. This is the best way to pinpoint our TMs without actually having one person just go through the list and selecting them (which I'm an inch from doing). The total is 75, but the number can change based on how many new attacks we wish to have as TMs.
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Flamethrower
Fire Blast
Blizzard
Thunder
Hyper Beam
Toxic
Sunny Day
Rain Dance
Reflect
Light Screen
Psychic
Sludge Bomb
Sandstorm
Double Team
Brick Break
Solarbeam
Giga Drain
Dig
Return
Frustration
Safeguard
Protect
Earthquake
Hail
Hidden Power
Rest
Refresh
Skill Swap
Taunt
Torment
Snatch
Bite
Crunch
Imprison
Swords Dance
Volt Tackle
Sleep Talk
Supstitute
Explosion
Zap Cannon
Dynamicpunch
Endure
Rapid Spin
Flail
Rock Slide
Fake Tears
Weather Ball
Signal Beam
Recycle
Metronome
Trick
Follow Me
Flatter
Psych Up
Roar
Counter
Mirror Coat
Helping Hand
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Post by BuffyBoy on Mar 30, 2004 1:28:08 GMT
Can we please throw Bubblebeam in there?
That is my favorite move... Besides there are almost no Water TMs....
I like Fake Tears and Recycle
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Post by Shadolf on Mar 30, 2004 1:28:33 GMT
And people, if you pick, keep the gym leaders' TMs in mind, and consider those. They should be the easiest.
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Post by Freckles23 on May 26, 2004 0:46:33 GMT
Of the list, I would vote for:
Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Hyper Beam, Toxic (classic TM’s, and it would be cool to be without the 120 base power attacks for a change)
Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Sandstorm, Hail, Weather Ball (Important Tm’s and weather ball on more pokemon, I’d love to see that)
Giga Drain, Dig (no solarbeam or earthquake! I’d love this)
Psychic, Sludge Bomb, Brick Break (some useful moves of useful types)
Hidden Power, Return, Frustration (these moves have to be TM’s)
Volt Tackle, Zap Cannon (I missed these moves in r/s)
Skill Swap, Taunt, Torment (fillers, but somewhat useful)
Bite (crunch is too strong to me, the pokemon world would resort to chaos)
Recycle, Metronome, Trick, Follow Me, Helping Hand, Flatter, Swagger (if using flatter, than you have to use swagger)
Signal Beam, Dynamicpunch, Rockslide, Explosion (power houses, except signal beam, which is necessary)
So there, I’ve voted for 35 of these move suggestions.
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Post by V Faction on May 27, 2004 4:29:17 GMT
I'm glad you voted, but due to the obvious lack of support for the TMs, I've already taken it upon myself to 'work up' a doable list.
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Post by V Faction on Jun 21, 2004 19:52:06 GMT
We're going to play a game! It's called "Help V fill in the blanks!". Won't this be fun? If we reach 75 total, we win a prize!
_Classic TMs_
00. Thunderbolt
01. Ice Beam
02. Flamethrower
03. Fire Blast
04. Blizzard
05. Toxic
06. Hyper Beam
07. Thunder
08. Sunny Day
09. Rain Dance
10. Psychic
11. Sludge Bomb
12. Sandstorm
13. Double Team
14. Dig
15. Return
16. Frustration
17. Protect
18. Earthquake
19. Hail
20. Hidden Power
21. Rest
22. Refresh
23. Skill Swap
24. Taunt
25. Torment
26. Snatch
27. Bite
28. Imprison
29. Swords Dance
30. Sleep Talk
31. Substitute
32. Explosion
33. Zap Cannon
34. Endure
35. Rapid Spin
36. Flail
37. Rock Slide
38. Fake Tears
39. Recycle
40. Trick
41. Flatter
42. Psych Up
43. Roar
44. Counter
45. Mirror Coat
-Pokemon Treasure Specific-
Acid Rain
Plentiful
Nature Rush
Seed Spin
~Gym Leaders~
46. Aerial Ace-Falkner
47. Signal Beam-Bugsy
48. Metronome-Whitney
49. Shadow Ball-Morty
50. Brick Break-Chuck
51. Iron Tail-Jasmine
52. Sheer Cold-Pryce
53. Dragon Dance-Clair
54. Wingbeat-Manny
55. Infect-Miserie
56. Flirt-Fern
57. Reject-Otto
58. Earth Spire-Cobalt
59. Bliss Kiss-Foxy
60. Lava Floor-Char
61. Flower Bloom-Flora
62. Exorcism-Nina
63. Snow Song-Legato
64. Hurricane-Matt
65. Roll Over-Kylie
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70.
71.
72.
73.
74.
75.
Alright, so it's not all fill in the blank. Rather people, you'll be deciding which things to get rid of and what to keep, because obviously there's more than 75 TMs here.
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Post by V Faction on Jun 21, 2004 20:29:39 GMT
As I said, let me know if you don't like them. We can then discuss all together if they should be taken out. it's the whole point of me posting this.
Recycle IS useful, which is why its a TM. But as I said, if you don't want it, it'll be put up for some debate.
No Sneasel.. We are not going to have a 00 TM. It's just the current numbering system I have the TMs set up in. Once we work the kinks out, we'll have the standard 1-75 Arrangement.
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Post by Freckles23 on Jun 22, 2004 19:23:26 GMT
This is my opinion, but if zap cannon made the list, dynamicpunch has to, also. Dynamicpunch and zap cannon are identical moves (100 base power, 50 accuracy, 100 % chance of inflicting status condition). It is just like thunder/blizzard/fire blast (these three I want ditched along with solarbeam) and flamethrower/ice beam/thunderbolt.
Same thing with swagger and flatter.
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Post by V Faction on Jun 22, 2004 21:55:01 GMT
No. You can vote to take off Zap Cannon if you'd like. I'm not too fond of it myself.
THIS LIST IS NOT DEFINITE. I PUT IT FOR PEOPLE TO TEAR IT APART.
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Post by Freckles23 on Jun 22, 2004 23:29:44 GMT
I vote to take off zap cannon, flatter, thunder, blizzard and fire blast.
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Post by V Faction on Jun 23, 2004 19:27:06 GMT
So, aside from those 5, everything else is okay with you? Even if it means no more new attacks?
These 5 are up in the air now:
-Zap Cannon
-Flatter
-Blizzard
-Fire Blast
-Thunder
I have some of my own
-Bite
-Imprison
-Zap Cannon (again)
-Rapid Spin
-Fake Tears
And Sneasel had some, but they've myteriously vanished:
-Taunt
-Torment
-Snatch
-Imprison
-Recycle
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Post by Freckles23 on Jun 23, 2004 20:32:32 GMT
I'll just go straight ahead to all the ones I don't like.
1. Fire Blast
2. Blizzard
3. Hyper Beam
4. Thunder
5. Double Team
6. Protect
7. Earthquake
8. Hidden Power
9. Refresh
10. Bite
11. Imprison
12. Zap Cannon
13. Endure
14. Rapid Spin
15. Rock Slide
16. Fake Tears
17. Flatter
18. Psych Up
19. Roar
These are the moves I DO NOT want as TM's, 19 of them. I'd rather have a lot more new TM moves.
And can you help me improve slack quack, V? This is the move I suggested for Mallard. "Distracts the opponent with a loud quack." Lowers speed and accuracy, etc. It's in the gym leader TM thread.
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Post by Super Cuddles on Jun 23, 2004 20:49:00 GMT
whoa! No Earthquake, Hidden Power and Hyper Beam? Damn, my fave gyarados and slaking are gonna cry...Me, too...  |
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Post by V Faction on Jun 23, 2004 21:18:16 GMT
Yeah, I'll do that Freckles.
Well, I doubt that most people are going to want to get rid of Earthquake, Double Team, Protect, or Hidden Power, but that's why were here to discuss. Even without cutting those 4 off, we'd still have a decent portion for our new attacks.
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Post by Freckles23 on Jun 23, 2004 21:39:54 GMT
It annoys me that some moves have just been around for ever. I know some of them ARE overused, but it's interesting to see what happens without them.
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Post by sneasel on Jun 25, 2004 4:41:12 GMT
No Earthquake? Why? I agree, FireBlast/THunder/Blizzard can go, but we must have Earthquake. Its the only good Ground attack. I think. And Hidden Power? No way we can't have hidden power. Zap Cannon and Bite are just bad ideas for TMs overall, though.
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Post by Freckles23 on Jun 25, 2004 11:33:59 GMT
I guess you're right. I don't mind if we keep hidden power and earthquake.
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