Special moves for old Pokemon

[mattgcn]

Recently at Pokepark.

* Follow Me Pichu
* Water Sport Plusle
* Mud Sport Minun
* Featherdance Taillow
* Tickle Igglybuff
* Encore Cacnea
* Mud Sport Corsola
* Mud Sport Surskit
* Mud Sport Psyduck
* Tickle Wynaut
* Teeter Dance Whismur
* Sing Spinda
* Rollout Skitty
* Water Sport Corphish
* Uproar Spoink

Can someone list the others like Amnesia Psyduck, and Baton Pass Farfetch'd? I had a list but I don't remember where I posted it.,

[Super Cuddles]

There was an extreme speed linoone. Also I remember they once decided to give out crawdaunt, exploud and 1 other pokemon, each with a special move.

[mattgcn]

Well theres....

The ones listed above
Dizzy Punch Elekid/Smoochum/Tyrogue/Magby (Ingame)
Surf Pichu/Pikachu
More from Stadium games?
Box eggs (Someone get)
EXspeed Ziggy
EXspeed Dratini (Ingame)

Any more?

[mattgcn]

Volt tackle Pichu (Emerald)

Heal Bell Mareep
Refresh Metang
Charm Spheal (XD)

Cuddles, can you find those topics at Smogon that listed these?

[mattgcn]

www.serebii.net/xd/pokemon-attacks.shtml

Through XD (Numero uno)

www.serebii.net/xd/mew.shtml

Through XD (Numero Dos. Though we'll need to get that list later on)
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My slicing through the crap analysis of the thread (? marks possibility, otherwise, like sweet) NYPC at bottom.

Crunch- Charizard, Entei?, Suicune?

Fangs for Arbok/Crobat

****Horn Drill/Fissure- WhoeverlearnedinRBY

Swords Dance- Nidos, Aipom

Tickle- Octillery, Tentacool, Tangela

Dragon Dance on Flygon, Arcanine? (Or just Swords?)
Focus Punch on Exploud
Cross Chop on Kingler and Crawdaunt
Tail Glow on Amphy
SOME good bug move on Pinsir

ExtremeSpeed- Dragonite, Dodrio, Pidgeot

Selfdestruct Snorlax (Too broken? Make it hard)

Lovely Kiss/Sweet Kiss- Nidos/Snorlax
Curse- Lugia, Steelix?, Arcanine?

E-quake- Kabutops, Scizor?, Arcanine?, Tentacruel, Rapidash, Kingler/Crawdaunt?

Signal Beam- Scyther/Scizor?,Armaldo?, Beautifly

Megahorn- Rapidash, Stantler?, Tauros

Solarbeam- Moltres

Rock Slide- Rapidash?, Gyarados?, Dragonite?

Calm Mind- Porygon 2, Manectric, Lapras, Vaporeon, Noctowl

Thunder Kingdra

Rock Blast- Kabutops, Regirock, Nosepass, Sudowoodo

Thunder Wave- Mewtwo, Lapras, Milotic

Aerial Ace- Gyarados

Counter- Pinsir, Muk, Porygon2, Most eons, Lanturn

Spore Jumpluff?

Willowisp- Torkoal, Claydol, Magcargo
Haze- Torkoal, Dusclops, Regice

Overheat- Magmar, Entei

Softboiled Wigglytuff

Growth Sceptile

Reflect- Legend Birds

Light Screen- Omastar, Articuno, Skarmory

Heatwave- Chimecho

Glare, Torment on Mence

Psych Up- Quagsire

Meteor Mash- Registeel?, Deoxys?

Cross Chop- Pinsir, Crawdaunt/Kingler

Reversal- Arcanine?, Hitmontop?, Gyarados?

Rapid Spin- Omastar, Magneton, Golem, Dusclops

Dragonite- Thick Fat, Marvel Scale, Own Tempo, Shed Skin

Belly Drum Quagsire

Aromatherapy- Meganium, Celebi

Leech Seed- Oddish, Bellsprout lines, Cradily line

Splash Lotad

Shadow Ball- Primeape, Scizor?, Pinsir, Machamp, Ursaring, Ninetales

morning sun solrock/moonlight lunatone

Counter Steelix (would have worked better in GSC though)

Spikes- Jolteon, Sandslash, Deliberd

Some decent physical attacks on Entei (Earthquake maybe? Shadow Ball?)

Focus Punch Metagross?

T-bolt Espeon, Xatu, Kingdra, Togetic

Slack Off Snorlax (maybe)

Ice Punch- Ampharos (Fire punch?)

Psychic- Ninetales

BP Yanma

Aipom- Flail

Follow Me- Dusclops

Focus Punch- Banette, Metagross

More "Powers" on Unown (Superpower, Ancientpower, Nature Power, Secret Power)

knock off dusclops?
calm mind umbreon?
intimidate crobat?
lovely kiss aipom?
sporing venomoth?

Sleep Powder- Meganium (And Stun Spore), Beautifly, Dustox (And Stun Spore)

Curse- Porygon 2, Stantler, Metagross?

PikaSurf/Fly

Magcargo, Qwilfish, Magneton, Corsola- Explosion
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Levitate- Beedrill, Venomoth, Dustox, Glalie?
Trace- Smeargle

Intimidate Houndoom?

Shed Skin Golem
Battle Armor Steelix
Intimidate Nidoking
Remove Clear Body on Metagross line and put Inner Focus (is not transparent)
Levitate Glalie
Intimidate Wailord (anything would be scared of something so eeeing huge)
Liquid Ooze Muk
Battle Armour on non-clear Regis?, Donphan
Swift Swin Lanturn (Change guide on dual types..)
Natural Cure Clefable?
Thick Fat Wigglytuff?
Limber Delcatty?

Sturdy Registeel?
Speed Boost Ledian?

intimidate nidoking
flame body moltres
volt absorb zapdos
frozen touch articuno

Levi Geodude

Umbreon cries for Pressure as Espeon for Trace??

www.smogon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=80682#80682

www.smogon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4176&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=48c943babe9a8ac442377cc53da1b4df
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9.5 fixes___________
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Gen2: When Baton Passing from an Intoxicated poke to a Poisoned poke, the toxicity counter is reset.
Gen2: MysteryBerry no longer gives 5 PP to Sketch.
Gen2: Spikes and Protect now display "But it failed!" when appropriate.
Gen3: Rounding error corrected in Curse, Nightmare, Partial Trapper, and Belly Drum damage
Gen3: Blizzard now has perfect accuracy during Hail
Gen3: Leppa Berry no longer gives 10 PP to moves with less than 10 MaxPP.
Gen3: Yawn now fails the first turn when used against Pokes with Insomnia and Vital Spirit.
Gen3: Imprison now fails if the user and opposing poke(s) have no attacks in common.
Gen3: Imprison now seals only the attacks the user has when Imprison is executed.
Gen3: Transform now copies the target's Trait.
Gen3: Pokes with numbers greater than 356 are now eligible for Challenge Cup teams. All this time...
Gen3: Perish Song and Heal Bell can now be used by Soundproof pokes.
Gen3: Spikes and Protect now display "But it failed!" when appropriate.
Gen3: Swagger/Flatter now fails against Substitutes?
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NYPC moves:


Follow Me Pichu
Water Sport Plusle
Mud Sport Minun
Featherdance Taillow
Tickle Igglybuff
Encore Cacnea
Mud Sport Corsola
Mud Sport Surskit
Mud Sport Psyduck
Tickle Wynaut
Teeter Dance Whismur
Sing Spinda
Rollout Skitty
Water Sport Corphish
Uproar Spoink
Drowzee - Belly Drum/Wish
Farfetch'd - Yawn/Wish
Chansey - Sweet Scent/Wish
Kangaskhan - Yawn/Wish
Exeggcute - Sweet Scent/Wish
Lickitung - Heal Bell/Wish
Absol - Wish
Absol - Spite
Oddish : Leech Seed
Bellsprout : Teeter Dance
Meowth : Petal Dance !!!
Poliwag : Sweet Kiss
Pichu : Wish or Teeter Dance
Ralts : Wish or Charm
Absol : Wish or Spite
Bagon : Wish or Iron Defense
Blissey- Wish

[mattgcn]

www.serebii.net/xd/mew.shtml -The new mew thing, there's still a bit more to be added I think...

www.serebii.net/xd/elementalbeams.shtml -Not kanto starter exclusives anymore.

[fnrrfygmschnish]

Remove Clear Body on Metagross line and put Inner Focus (is not transparent)

I'm pretty sure Clear Body is named that way because their body is permanently "clear" of problems (such as... stat lowering), not clear as in transparent.

Tentacool and Tentacruel aren't generally shown as being transparent either, even though real-life jellyfish are. And of course all the Regis have it, even though only one of them is even slightly see-through-ish.

[mattgcn]

These are just copy/pastes from a thread at Smogon so feel free to critique any of the suggestions.

BTW, here's more-

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Cute Charm and Lovely Kiss Luvdisc

Recover Hypno would be nice.

Extreme Speed Zangoose

Intimidate Nidoking
Effect Spore Vileplume
Natural Cure Suicune

What about Curse Venusaur and Meganium?

Extreme Speed Raticate sounds kinda cool.

Water Absorb Ludicolo would be pretty neat.

TailGlowZard

Natural Cure Altaria

Rough Skin Qwilfish.
Shadow Tag Unown.
Wing Attack/Silver Wind/Signal Beam Flygon?

Rough Skin Golem/Rhydon

guts furret, purepower furret, extreme speed furret
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Iron Defence Rhydon
Guts or Sturdy or Immunity Rhydon

If Rhydon gets Guts, it should get Sleep Talk.

Speed Boost Pikachu.

Trace Ditto???

Earthquake to Dodrio

Follow Me is null when a hit both or hit all move is used

Pikachu's Zap Cannon, Tauros' Horn Drill and Vaporeon's Magical Leaf

Hitmonchan - dizzy punch shadow punch

ninjask - Extremespeed

kingdra - flamethrower sludge bomb

kecleon - camoflauge- nullifies ability?

ninetales - memento shadow ball
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MOVES

Ursaring: Refresh

Exploud: Focus Punch

Ledian: Refresh

Jynx: Pay Day

Tentacruel: Double Slap, Tickle

Charizard: Tail Glow

Mightyena: Heal Bell

Gengar: Thunder Wave

Gyarados: Rock Slide, Aerial Ace

Shiftry: Refresh

Swalot: Sing

Registeel: Meteor Mash

Claydol: Refresh

Ampharos: Heal Bell, Tail Glow

Walrein: Charm

Houndour: Charm

Ariados: Refresh

Camerupt: Charm

Sharpedo: Refresh

Breloom: Refresh

Delcatty: Sweet Kiss

Electrode: Refresh

Hariyama: Refresh

Ninetails: Charm, Psychic

Dusclops: Helping Hand

Gardevoir: Sing

Mawile: Sing

Glalie: Sing

Forretress: Refresh

Xatu: Baton Pass

Roselia: Sweet Kiss

Persian: Sing

Piloswine: Charm

Fearow: Baton Pass

Muk: Helping Hand

Dewgong: Helping Hand

Lunatone: Baton Pass, Moonlight, Thunderbolt, Iron Defense, Wish

Torkoal: Will-O-Wisp, Earthquake

Nosepass: Helping Hand

Zangoose: Refresh

Togetic: Tri Attack

Parasect: Refresh

Arcanine: Charm, Earthquake, Swords Dance

Cloyster: Refresh

Beedrill: Baton Pass, Signal Beam

Pidgeot: Refresh, Drill Peck

Tangela: Morning Sun

Butterfree: Morning Sun

Magneton: Refresh

Venomoth: Refresh, Spore

Victreebeel: Morning Sun, Leech Seed

Arbok: Refresh

Primeape: Helping Hand

Hypno: Baton Pass

Raticate: Refresh

Golduck: Charm

Sableye: Helping Hand

Dodrio: Baton Pass

Farfetch'd: Baton Pass

Altaria: Heal Bell

Kangaskhan: Sing

Bannete: Helping Hand

Magmar: Follow Me, Overheat

Pinsir: Helping Hand, Megahorn, Spikes, Crunch

Magaraco: Refresh

Rapidash: Baton Pass

Hitmonlee: Refresh

Hitmonchan: Helping Hand

Lickitung: Helping Hand

Scyther: Morning Sun

Scizor: Morning Sun

Blissey: Sweet Kiss, Wish, Surf

Solrock: Baton Pass, Morning Sun, Iron Defense

Starmie: Refresh

Electabuzz: Follow Me

Swellow: Baton Pass, Drill Peck

Snorlax: Refresh, Selfdestruct, Explosion, Stomp, Charm

Poliwrath: Helping Hand

Mr. Mime: Follow Me

Dugtrio: Charm

Manectric: Refresh

Salamence: Refresh, Fake Out, Ice Beam

Marowak: Sing

Grumpig: Tail Glow

Lapras: Heal Bell

Lugia: Feather Dance, Psycho Boost

Zapdos: Extrasensory, Baton Pass, Metal Sound

Moltres: Will-O-Wisp, Morning Sun, Extrasensory

Articuno: Haze, Extrasensory, Heal Bell

Tauros: Refresh

Rhydon: Helping Hand, Iron Defense

Exeggutor: Refresh

Dragonite: Heal Bell, Exetremespeed

Metagross: Refresh, Fake Out

Flygon: Signal Beam, Dragon Dance, Focus Punch

Armaldo: Signal Beam

Yanma: Baton Pass

Vileplume: Leech Seed

Golem: Rapid Spin

Jolteon: Spikes

Cradily: Leech Seed

Entei: Earthquake, Exetremespeed, Overheat, Swords Dance

Regirock: Rock Blast

Kabutops: Earthquake

Shedinja: Knock Off, Signal Beam

Sandslash: Spikes

Machamp: Shadow Ball

Umbreon: Crunch, Memento

Medicham: Earthquake

Tyranitar: Rock Blast

Flareon: Will-O-Wisp

Aggron: Meteor Mash

Venusaur: Stun Spore

Unown: Secret Power, Superpower, Ancientpower, Cosmic Power, Nature Power

TRAITS

Magneton: Levitate

Tyranitar: Battle Armor

Donphan: Battle Armor

Skarmory: Battle Armor

Pinsir: Swarm

Sandslash: Battle Armor

Venomoth: Levitate

Beedrill: Levitate

Umbreon: Pressure

Espeon: Trace

Lapras: Thick Fat

Gyarados: Marvel Scale

Fearow: Guts

Kingdra: Marvel Scale

Smeargle: Trace

Pidgeot: Guts

Rhydon: Surdy, Immunity

Crawdaunt: Water Veil

Unown: Pure Power
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Absol – give it intimidate as trait. That would cover his poor defense
Aggron – sand stream as a trait and rock blast as move
Aipom – needs an evolution
Altaria – calm mind Ampharos – tail glow would be cool and how about ice punch? Could be a potential skarmbliss counter.
Arbok – shadow ball would be nice
Arcanine – give this pup some status upper like either curse, dragon dance or sword dance and maybe a new attack like earthquake or shadow ball or something
Armaldo – signal beam
Azumarill – fake out would be nice
Banette – focus punch + levitate cause a ghost can float Beautifly Beedrill – levitate
Bellossom – leech seed
Camerupt – maybe sand stream as a trait
Claydol – will-o-wisp
Cradily – leech seed
Crawdaunt – cross chop
Crobat Delcatty – hustle or serene grace as a trait
Delibird Dewgong – confuse ray and/or thunderwave with marvel scale as a trait
Dodrio – extreme speed
Dragonite – extreme speed since he learned it in crystal and maybe shed skin or limber as a new trait
Entei – it really needs a strong or usefull attack like shadow ball or earthquake
Espeon – calm mind for all the eeveelutions
Exploud – focus punch Farfetch'd
Flareon - calm mind for all the eeveelutions
Flygon – dragon dance cause it is a dragon
Golem - rapid spin
Houndoom – the dog from hell, intimidate would be appropriate
Jolteon – calm mind
Kabutops - earthquake
Kangaskhan – bulk up
Kingler – cross chop
Lanturn – calm mind
Lapras – thunder wave OR calm mind would be enough
Ledian – speed boost
Linoone – guts as trait
Magcargo – explosion + will-o-wisp
Magmar – overheat and maybe blaze as a trait
Magneton – levitate and explosion
Manectric – calm mind
Meganium – aromatherapy and sleep powder would give this pokemon another purpose. Toxic, leech seed and synthesis as the other moves and you got a pretty decent stall/utillity pokemon on your team
Minun – please evolve next game
Misdreavus - hypnosis
Muk – counter and how about immunity since he’s already toxic
Nidoking – sword dance or maybe even dragon dance Very Happy
Nidoqueen – see above
Omastar – rapid spin
Persian – sword dance would be a good option
Pidgeot – extremespeed would be a start
Pinsir – signal beam + intimidate or just give it megahorn (and don’t bullshit about it’s only for heracross cause nidoking learns it but pinsir deserve it more)
Plusle – see your other half
Politoed – calm mind maybe confuse ray
Poliwrath – rock slide and maybe confuse ray since that spiral on his belly can be confusing
Porygon2 – calm mind and/or curse
Primeape – guts seems nice for him
Quagsire – psych up
Raichu – let light ball work on him
Rapidash – earthquake and/or horn drill
Regice – battle armor for all the regi’s
Regirock – see above
Registeel – see above
Relicanth – counter and rock blast
Sableye – hypnosis + compound eyes as a trait
Sandslash – spikes
Scizor – signal beam for him
Scyther – see above
Seviper – shadow ball and poison point or intimidate
Shiftry – magical leaf
Sudowoodo – rock blast + huge power as a trait lol would be a bit much
Torkoal – will-o-wisp
Tropius – how about spore?
Tyranitar – vital spirit as second trait. This would not make it too powerful but would give him more options
Umbreon – calm mind
Ursaring – curse
Vaporeon – calm mind would be great on him
Vileplume – leech seed
Wigglytuff - softboiled
Wobbuffet – get rid of shadow tag and give it mean look as move. Own tempo as a trait or something then.
Yanma – sword dance with baton pass
Zangoose – intimidate to cover the low defense or guts for more attack since it looks really mean.

[fnrrfygmschnish]

What about Curse Venusaur and Meganium?

If Curse is a TM (like G/S/C) or a Move Tutor move, this would be kinda pointless, wouldn't it?

Water Absorb Ludicolo would be pretty neat.

A bit useless though... who uses water moves on something 4x resistant to water?

Rough Skin Qwilfish.

Makes sense.

Shadow Tag Unown.

Hmm.. I don't really like the idea of giving the levitating things another ability. What does a non-levitating Unown do, scud along the ground?

Rough Skin Golem/Rhydon

More likely Rhydon, Golem's rocks look pretty smooth actually.

Speed Boost Pikachu.

Why?

Trace Ditto???

I actually like this one. It makes sense, with Ditto's transformyness...

Earthquake to Dodrio

If pecking the ground caused earthquakes, chickens would rule the world.

Follow Me is null when a hit both or hit all move is used

Good.

Pikachu's Zap Cannon, Tauros' Horn Drill

Aren't those move tutor attacks? at least in Emerald?
Also, Horn Drill should probably be kept for things that actually have long, pointy-ish horns that they could drill with... Rhydon, Nidoking, etc.

and Vaporeon's Magical Leaf

Somebody must've been smoking some "Magical Leaf" when they thought of that one.

ninjask - Extremespeed

Yeah, why don't they get that..?

kingdra - flamethrower sludge bomb

Flamethrower no, it's a frickin' seahorse.
Sludge bomb.. maybe

ninetales - memento shadow ball

Makes sense..

Jynx: Pay Day

Any reason, other than the whole Jynx=prostitute thing?

Tentacruel: Double Slap, Tickle

Tentacruel's "Tickle" = poison sting. And doubleslap? ::points to comment under Vaporeon+magical leaf::

Gengar: Thunder Wave

TM/move tutor..?

Ampharos: Heal Bell, Tail Glow

Probably the only other thing Tail Glow makes sense on.

Walrein: Charm

Um... no.. charm is for things that could be mistaken for "cute", not "giant walrus o' doom"...

Beedrill: Baton Pass, Signal Beam

Signal Beam on Beedrill? Nah... maybe Butterfree or Venonat/Venomoth, but not Beedrill.

Pidgeot: Refresh, Drill Peck

Pidgeot has a bitey-beak, not a drilly-beak. Look at the beak shape compared to things that learn Drill Peck naturally to see what I mean.

Kangaskhan: Sing

Um.. ::repeat magical leaf comment::

Pinsir: Helping Hand, Megahorn, Spikes, Crunch

Spikes/Crunch yes, Megahorn no. As much as I like Pinsir, I don't like giving a Pokémon attacks that it is physically unable to use.

Snorlax: Refresh, Selfdestruct, Explosion, Stomp, Charm

Why does everyone want explosive snorlaxes again? That was one of R/B/Y's many programming slip-ups. Get over it.

Sandslash: Spikes

I always wondered why Sandslash couldn't get Spikes before...

Machamp: Shadow Ball

Nah.

Umbreon: Crunch, Memento

Umbreon can't even learn Bite unless you keep it as an Eevee. So no crunch.

Aggron: Meteor Mash

Meteor Mash is for space/robot oriented things, not "everything Steel type".

Unown: Secret Power, Superpower, Ancientpower, Cosmic Power, Nature Power

Only Ancientpower, Cosmic Power, and maybe Secret Power really make sense.
Nature Power is for grass types and nature-oriented things--definitely not something for a bunch of letters--and Superpower... you need to be able to physically hit your opponent to use that.

Everything and its dog: Battle Armor

Remember that Battle Armor's japanese name is Kabuto Armor.. therefore, it really makes NO sense on anything that isn't either beetle-like or vaguely in the shape of a samurai helmet (aka kabuto).

Venomoth: Levitate
Beedrill: Levitate

YES.

Banette – focus punch + levitate cause a ghost can float

Not all ghost pokémon float. Banette isn't a floaty one, though Shuppet seems floaty.

Crawdaunt – cross chop

IT HAS NO HANDS.

Delibird Dewgong – confuse ray and/or thunderwave with marvel scale as a trait

Neither birds nor seals have SCALES. So no marvel scale for either of them.

Flygon--dragon dance cause it's a dragon

No, how about "Bug Dance cause it's a bug".

Kingler – cross chop

Again, NO HANDS.

Magcargo – explosion + will-o-wisp

Explosion would make sense.

Muk – counter and how about immunity since he’s already toxic

MUK IS A POISON TYPE, IT ALREADY FRIGGIN' HAS IMMUNITY TO POISON!

Raichu – let light ball work on him

Electric Mewtwo, anyone? Too powerful.

[mattgcn]

Though I agree with you on almost all counts I still think Equake Dodrio could possibly work. It's pretty strong. Also Cross Chop on the Crustaceans, well, those are some pretty damn strong claws.

Shadow Ball Machamp/Ursaring is just for the fun of a ghost-killer thna works with their strengths.

[Super Cuddles]

mattgcn said:

Also Cross Chop on the Crustaceans, well, those are some pretty damn strong claws.

Except that their claws are too short and too far apart, they will never manage to make a cross.

Shadow Ball Machamp/Ursaring is just for the fun of a ghost-killer thna works with their strengths.

no, we don't want normal/fighting type ghost killers. Ghosts are probably the only types that stands well against these kinds of physical madness.

[mattgcn]

Good point and good point.

Also, Tickle on Tentacruel could still work. On Octillery it's just funny

[fnrrfygmschnish]

The reason the crabs can't use Cross Chop is that they don't have hands, they have pinchers/claws.

Cross Chop is not an attack you can do with just about any sharp object (like Slash is). It's a double Karate Chop. A crab doesn't chop things by swinging its claw in a karate-chop motion, it does it by clamping down really hard.
And that's Vicegrip or Guillotine, not Karate Chop or Cross Chop.

[BonzaiRob]

How about Snorlax with Ice Beam? Shiny Snorlax preferably.