Shadolf's baby...no pun no pun!

[Super Cuddles]

Name: Togecus
Type: Normal?
Species: Circus
PokéDex: I forgot?
Height: Same as Togetic?
Weight: Same as Togetic?
Ability: Same as Togetic
Forward Sprite: www.imgmag.org/images/cuddles/togepi2.jpeg
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Back Sprite: www.imgmag.org/images/cuddles/togecusback.jpg
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Mini Sprite: www.imgmag.org/images/cuddles/togecusmini.jpg
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Base Stats:
HP: 55
Attack: 80
Defense: 105
Speed: 40
Special Attack: 40
Special Defense: 85
Total Stats: 405
Effort Value: Def +1, Sp Def +1 ? same as togetic?
Breeding Group: Same as togetic
Gender Ratio: Same as togetic
Evolution Line: Togepi ==??==> Togecus

Moves Learned:
Same as togetic

Egg Moves:
Same as togetic

oh well, V, you could change something if you want.

[V Faction]

I probably will in the future. I'll comment on the evolution for now.

Here's how the normal chain works:

Togepi ->Happiness-> Togetic

Here's Togetant's chain:

Togepi ->Happiness-> Togetic ->Tradew/Heaven'sEgg-> Togetant

And here's my proposal on how to get Togecus:

Togepi (holding Heaven's Egg) ->Happiness-> Togetic and Togecus

Much like Nincada to Ninjask, Togecus will be an extra Pokemon you can get from the evolution if you have all the necessary precautions worked out. It's a sort of 2 for 1 deal.

[V Faction]

Name: Togecus
Type: Normal/Light
Species: Egg Shell
PokéDex: A mystical energy inhabits the disgarded remains that is Togecus. Normally very brittle, the shell uses this special energy as a shield to protect it from outside harm. The shell itself becomes a living entity.
Height: 1'9"
Weight: lbs
Ability: Wonder Guard
Forward Sprite:
Back Sprite:
Mini Sprite:
Base Stats:
HP: 1
Attack: 90
Defense: 35
Speed: 60
Special Attack: 80
Special Defense: 30
Total Stats: 296
Effort Value: +1 Attack, +1 Special Attack
Breeding Group: No Eggs
Gender Ratio: Male: 87.5% Female: 12.5%
Evolution Line: Togepi -> Togecus (Happiness, Heaven's Egg, Free Slot)

Moves Learned:

-Lv.01 Surprise Egg*
-Lv.01 Growl
-Lv.01 Charm
-Lv.01 Metronome
-Lv.09 Protect
-Lv.13 Splash
-Lv.17 Defense Curl
-Lv.21 Lux

Egg Moves:

Foresight
Future Sight
Mirror Move
Peck
Present
Psych Up
Substitute

Color: White

Name: Togetant
Type: Giant
PokéDex: Togetants are known for the good luck they bring. The funky shaped patterns on their bellies each have their own message of good fortune. They move suprisingly fast for their moderate size.
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 46 lbs
Ability: Serene Grace
Forward Sprite:
Back Sprite:
Mini Sprite:
Base Stats:
HP: 67
Attack: 52
Defense: 110
Speed: 52
Special Attack: 94
Special Defense: 130
Total Stats: 505
Effort Value: +2 Special Defense, +1 Defense
Breeding Group: Fairy/Flying
Gender Ratio: Male: 87.5% Female: 12.5%
Evolution Line: Togetic -> Togetant (Trade w/Heaven's Egg)

Moves Learned:

-Lv.01 Magical Leaf*
-Lv.01 Growl
-Lv.01 Charm
-Lv.01 Metronome
-Lv.09 Sweet Kiss
-Lv.13 Yawn
-Lv.17 Encore
-Lv.21 Ancientpower
-Lv.25 Follow Me
-Lv.29 Softboiled
-Lv.33 Safeguard
-Lv.37 Double-edge
-Lv.41 Baton Pass
-Lv.45 Surprise Egg

Egg Moves:

Foresight
Future Sight
Mirror Move
Peck
Present
Psych Up
Substitute

Color: White

Let me know what you think of both their stats. Hopefully, you like the Togecus revisions. Oh, and the Egg Moves essentially come from the Togepi that hatches beforehand, in case you were wondering why it had the No Eggs group.

[Super Cuddles]

wtf wonder guard? Man, my poor sheddy's gonna be upset

[V Faction]

Shedinja couldn't handle the powwa!

[Darkdog]

Well, I can't think of the Light weaknesses off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure there are three. That is four weaknesses all together, more than one HP, good defense (I think I wish I knew more about base stats...), and Wonder Guard? Seems a little overpowered too me...

[V Faction]

I'm sure there are 3 myself. I can only think of 2, probably sure-fire, weaknesses: Dark and Grass. Shedinja had 5.

HP is a Base 20. Meaning, well, yeah it's more than a Single Hit Point but definitely nothing to be happy over. And it's defenses are good, but not great.

[Fluo]

Wonder guard? Dude, what are you smoking.

[V Faction]

Something very very good.

[Freckles23]

I feel sorry for Shedinja. Shedinja came along with this great ability but only had one HP. Now, this dude comes along with great defenses and more than one HP with wonder guard.

I want Togecus to keep wonder guard!

[Fluo]

I am sorry but Togecus can't have wonder guard. It's downright broken.

Immune to 16 types out of 20, able to survive spikes and toxic quasi normally.

Many pokemon will never be able to touch it. It can switch into them, then use Yawn or Substitute on the switch to either ensure sleep or immunity to the next move.

You can also make it abuse Follow me in a 2v2. Worse yet, you can make the partner use Follow me, which would make Togecus immune to all moves except moves from 4 types that happen to hit both opponents. And to make the matters even worse, Togecus can still Substitute.

You could also make some wicked combos with Psych-up.

And to add insult to injury it can resist blows, especially if the opponent didn't train his pokemon properly.

Anyway just drop Togecus's HP to exactly 2, kill its defenses and increase special attack and speed.

That, or I could set up a PTBot and test it out.

[Darkdog]

Togecus is meant to be powerful, I think. It will be a refreshing change to have the Togepi line actually do good in battle. But I still think you should set up a PTbot, so that we can test all these. That, and I think it would be cool.

[V Faction]

Fluo said:

I am sorry but Togecus can't have wonder guard. It's downright broken.

Immune to 16 types out of 20, able to survive spikes and toxic quasi normally.

Many pokemon will never be able to touch it. It can switch into them, then use Yawn or Substitute on the switch to either ensure sleep or immunity to the next move.

You can also make it abuse Follow me in a 2v2. Worse yet, you can make the partner use Follow me, which would make Togecus immune to all moves except moves from 4 types that happen to hit both opponents. And to make the matters even worse, Togecus can still Substitute.

You could also make some wicked combos with Psych-up.

And to add insult to injury it can resist blows, especially if the opponent didn't train his pokemon properly.

Anyway just drop Togecus's HP to exactly 2, kill its defenses and increase special attack and speed.

That, or I could set up a PTBot and test it out.

I give you credit for figuring out the whole ploy. The only way I'd be able to get this to see the light of day is IF I do exactly as you say and make it a Pseudo-Ninjask. Truth is, Togetic has had so much to put up with, to the extent that even Ancientpower and Baton Pass with Serene Grace still isn't even enough to help, that when this sad, almost laugh-worthy, kind of spin-off Pokemon shows up, people would still disregard it. That is, unless they dug deeper.

HP gets sacraficed, Defenses stay. It brings the total down, which I have no clue if cuddles is okay with, but makes it fair with Wonder Guard. I'd prefer it to have a base HP of 5, but if a single digit is what you want (let's make it one instead of 2) then we'll go with that.

[Fluo]

Bah, don't worry too much about that. I'll help you test them out anyway. I just need the data.

[V Faction]

If you're going to upload Togecus, mind doing another while you're at it? It's an attack called Lava Floor and it works a lot like Spikes. It can be laid up to three times but the damage stays at the 1/16th mark. What changes with each use the is burning rate (10%, 20%, 30%). The biggest concern of mine is if its at all possible. If you can make it happen on the Bots, that pretty much seals the deal for the regular game.

[Fluo]

I can make almost everything happen on the bots, and if I had made the bot myself from scratch, I would be able to make everything short of real time battling. But that's the -bot-. I have absolutely no idea of what is possible to do on another engine. A priori, I would say that you can probably do less, since the source would not be changeable. It remains to be seen, however.

This said, that attack seems easily doable, and it's pretty interesting too. And I'd rather upload the whole available roster than just Togecus. It's a whole, so it has to be tested as a whole.

Oh and if I do this I can re-generate all the information under whatever scripting format has to be used, and provide all sorts of calculations as needed.

[Darkdog]

I'd suggest uploading everything in the Pokedex. Those are the only things that are for sure. Also, is it possible to change the damage on an attack for weight?

[Freckles23]

I recommend 5 base HP. With 2 HP and good defenses, the good defenses have no purpose whatsoever. So I recommend 5 base stat HP, and keep the defenses. If you give it 1/2 HP, it has to have good attack stats because those defenses won't be used at all.

[V Faction]

I know the Defenses wouldn't have any use at all. I find that kind of fun actually. One would expect that since it has such a small amount of HP, all the remaining resources would be put into beefing up the attacks. This goes against that usual thinking to add to the novelty more.

I'd like to know the numerical result of having a Base of 1 HP though, instead of actually having one hit point. That may lead to an interesting set up.

[Fluo]

DarkDog: Weight is used in the calculation of Low Kick's damage (and in Butt Bomb's damage in PPC), if that's what you meant.


Personnally I would recommend 2 exact HP, higher speed, higher special attack.

1 base HP is between 112 (DV=0,exp=0) and 206 (DV=31,exp=252) HP at level 100.


Also who's in charge of the website? The files used by the PHP pokedex to generate the pages would probably be very useable to extract info for a bot.

[V Faction]

FMY's in charge. I'm not too worried about the way the information is presented on the site, just as long as it IS presented. I'm not stopping you from doing up a version like the PPC Site Fluo, but that's only if you really want to go through the trouble.

[Fluo]

I'm just talking about making you a bot for testing. The already established pokedex, as far as I know, is coded in PHP, and probably gets its data from text files that are already well organized, so that's a source of information I know of. Unless you want me to incorporate a movedex, traitdex, overview, search functions and a stat calculator, I am not doing any more.

[FMY]

Yes, the pokedex's indeed PHP, but only partly. I started the pokedex before I really knew PHP, so it's mostly just simple html.

[Fluo]

Isn't there any place where I can find information in raw text format? I would prefer not having to browse the forums and/or parse HTML

[FMY]

I'm afraid there isn't. Not as far as I know at least.